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| Robin Hawk messaged me on IRC bassically stating that she wasn't comfortable including the fairuse tag on '''her''' images, and after brainstorming a little we created this tag. It is to be used for images created (or taken, in the case of photos) by the person uploading them. --[[User:Windos|Windos]] 11:17, 20 November 2009 (UTC) | | Robin Hawk messaged me on IRC bassically stating that she wasn't comfortable including the fairuse tag on '''her''' images, and after brainstorming a little we created this tag. It is to be used for images created (or taken, in the case of photos) by the person uploading them. --[[User:Solari|Windos]] 11:17, 20 November 2009 (UTC) |
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| *Interesting - so the only difference is that fairuse acknowledges that anyone can use the image on the Wiki as along as they assert that this qualifies as '''fair use''' of the material under '''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#Fair_use_under_United_States_law United States copyright law]'''. Meanwhile, this tag asserts that the image is copyrighted but well not let anyone use it except for the person who uploaded it. Is that correct? --[[User:Tron|Tron]] 23:17, 20 November 2009 (UTC) | | *Interesting - so the only difference is that fairuse acknowledges that anyone can use the image on the Wiki as along as they assert that this qualifies as '''fair use''' of the material under '''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#Fair_use_under_United_States_law United States copyright law]'''. Meanwhile, this tag asserts that the image is copyrighted but well not let anyone use it except for the person who uploaded it. Is that correct? --[[User:Tron|Tron]] 23:17, 20 November 2009 (UTC) |
| **Yes Tron, basically RH just wanted a bit of protection for personal photos and the like. The only catch to using it I guess is that the uploader has to be the owner of the image. It may need tweaking, or be inapropriate in general... I'm not a lawyer :P Was only created to address an issue a member had :) --[[User:Windos|Windos]] 00:43, 22 November 2009 (UTC) | | **Yes Tron, basically RH just wanted a bit of protection for personal photos and the like. The only catch to using it I guess is that the uploader has to be the owner of the image. It may need tweaking, or be inapropriate in general... I'm not a lawyer :P Was only created to address an issue a member had :) --[[User:Solari|Windos]] 00:43, 22 November 2009 (UTC) |
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| Well, any images I have made for the DB (robes, sabers, charimages, etc) are copywritten, and may be used under exclusive license by DB members. Basically, we can use them freely, and fairuse isn't an issue. lifting images from other sources is another matter, but I often wish we had a requirement to post the source of the images, rather than just the generic 'fair use' tag. Maybe we should require people to credit the source (which may be required for fairuse anyway, i'm not sure as I am not a lawyer). --[[image:muz.png|muz]] | | Well, any images I have made for the DB (robes, sabers, charimages, etc) are copywritten, and may be used under exclusive license by DB members. Basically, we can use them freely, and fairuse isn't an issue. lifting images from other sources is another matter, but I often wish we had a requirement to post the source of the images, rather than just the generic 'fair use' tag. Maybe we should require people to credit the source (which may be required for fairuse anyway, i'm not sure as I am not a lawyer). --[[image:muz.png|muz]] |
| *Muz, it may be possible to alter the fairuse template to include a url (or not if not supplied) so it could be used like <nowiki>{{Fairuse|www.theoriginal.com/image.jpg}}</nowiki> and if would add "'''''Originall found at: www.theoriginal.com/image.jpg'''''". I might look into it, If Solus or one of the staff don't get to it first. --[[User:Windos|Windos]] 00:43, 22 November 2009 (UTC) | | *Muz, it may be possible to alter the fairuse template to include a url (or not if not supplied) so it could be used like <nowiki>{{Fairuse|www.theoriginal.com/image.jpg}}</nowiki> and if would add "'''''Originall found at: www.theoriginal.com/image.jpg'''''". I might look into it, If Solus or one of the staff don't get to it first. --[[User:Solari|Windos]] 00:43, 22 November 2009 (UTC) |
| **It is now implemented, see [[Template talk:Fairuse]] and [[Template:Fairuse]] --[[User:Windos|Windos]] 01:49, 22 November 2009 (UTC) | | **It is now implemented, see [[Template talk:Fairuse]] and [[Template:Fairuse]] --[[User:Solari|Windos]] 01:49, 22 November 2009 (UTC) |
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| * Ummmm....Fairuse ''is'' a part of copyright law and doesn't mean the work isn't copyrighted. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use] [[User:Orv Dessrx|Orv Dessrx]] 02:34, 18 December 2009 (UTC) | | * Ummmm....Fairuse ''is'' a part of copyright law and doesn't mean the work isn't copyrighted. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use] [[User:Orv Dessrx|Orv Dessrx]] 02:34, 18 December 2009 (UTC) |
| ** Also...does the DJB really want to go down the road of allowing restrictive copyrighted works on the Wiki where we can have a cease and desist if something goes wrong then wreak havoc with our content? Or are the copyrighted works reserved ONLY for photos? [[User:Orv Dessrx|Orv Dessrx]] 02:37, 18 December 2009 (UTC) | | ** Also...does the DJB really want to go down the road of allowing restrictive copyrighted works on the Wiki where we can have a cease and desist if something goes wrong then wreak havoc with our content? Or are the copyrighted works reserved ONLY for photos? [[User:Orv Dessrx|Orv Dessrx]] 02:37, 18 December 2009 (UTC) |
| **Indeed, fair use is basically saying that while the DB is displaying said image, said image is copyrighted and the unit as a whole is not the one that owns said image for the purposes of copyrignt. This tag should probably be done away with as a replacement for the fair use tag and we should instead have liscence tag where people should instead perhaps add something like the [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/ Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0] license if they're worried about that sort of thing. Basically, if it's not available for redistribution it shouldn't be on our wiki in the first place, as we don't have the right to distribute it, so this tag in and of itself is something that shouldn't exist because any image it's put on shouldn't be uploaded in the first place. - [[User:Solus Gar|Solus Gar]] 03:04, 18 December 2009 (UTC) | | **Indeed, fair use is basically saying that while the DB is displaying said image, said image is copyrighted and the unit as a whole is not the one that owns said image for the purposes of copyrignt. This tag should probably be done away with as a replacement for the fair use tag and we should instead have liscence tag where people should instead perhaps add something like the [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/3.0/us/ Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0] license if they're worried about that sort of thing. Basically, if it's not available for redistribution it shouldn't be on our wiki in the first place, as we don't have the right to distribute it, so this tag in and of itself is something that shouldn't exist because any image it's put on shouldn't be uploaded in the first place. - [[User:Selika|Selika]] 03:04, 18 December 2009 (UTC) |
| *** Just fyi, this tag isn't meant to be a replacement for the fairuse tag. It was only created to address an issue a member had when uploading personal photos for her user page. And personally (I think RH agreed with me on this) using the fairuse tag on your own works is a bit moot as ''your'' use of ''your'' images doesn't need to be fairuse as you ''own'' it. | | *** Just fyi, this tag isn't meant to be a replacement for the fairuse tag. It was only created to address an issue a member had when uploading personal photos for her user page. And personally (I think RH agreed with me on this) using the fairuse tag on your own works is a bit moot as ''your'' use of ''your'' images doesn't need to be fairuse as you ''own'' it. |
| ::If we need a different tag/wording for this tag, go ahead and do it but I do feel we need something other than fairuse for the original works of our members. --[[User:Windos|Windos]] 03:16, 18 December 2009 (UTC) | | ::If we need a different tag/wording for this tag, go ahead and do it but I do feel we need something other than fairuse for the original works of our members. --[[User:Solari|Windos]] 03:16, 18 December 2009 (UTC) |
| *Solus Garr try to explain what 'fairuse' meant to me early. What really cleared it up on how he stated what 'fairuse' meant was "It shields the Brotherhood against the legal people." So if person A: does not put 'fairuse' on what they upload then the Brotherhood can be (worse case scenario) sued. But I agree with Muz. It might be a good idea to delineate between images 'taken' from the internet and ones created by hand. - [[User:Robin Hawk|Robin Hawk]] | | *Selikar try to explain what 'fairuse' meant to me early. What really cleared it up on how he stated what 'fairuse' meant was "It shields the Brotherhood against the legal people." So if person A: does not put 'fairuse' on what they upload then the Brotherhood can be (worse case scenario) sued. But I agree with Muz. It might be a good idea to delineate between images 'taken' from the internet and ones created by hand. - Robin Hawk |
Why this was created
Robin Hawk messaged me on IRC bassically stating that she wasn't comfortable including the fairuse tag on her images, and after brainstorming a little we created this tag. It is to be used for images created (or taken, in the case of photos) by the person uploading them. --Windos 11:17, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
- Interesting - so the only difference is that fairuse acknowledges that anyone can use the image on the Wiki as along as they assert that this qualifies as fair use of the material under United States copyright law. Meanwhile, this tag asserts that the image is copyrighted but well not let anyone use it except for the person who uploaded it. Is that correct? --Tron 23:17, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
- Yes Tron, basically RH just wanted a bit of protection for personal photos and the like. The only catch to using it I guess is that the uploader has to be the owner of the image. It may need tweaking, or be inapropriate in general... I'm not a lawyer :P Was only created to address an issue a member had :) --Windos 00:43, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Well, any images I have made for the DB (robes, sabers, charimages, etc) are copywritten, and may be used under exclusive license by DB members. Basically, we can use them freely, and fairuse isn't an issue. lifting images from other sources is another matter, but I often wish we had a requirement to post the source of the images, rather than just the generic 'fair use' tag. Maybe we should require people to credit the source (which may be required for fairuse anyway, i'm not sure as I am not a lawyer). --
- Muz, it may be possible to alter the fairuse template to include a url (or not if not supplied) so it could be used like {{Fairuse|www.theoriginal.com/image.jpg}} and if would add "Originall found at: www.theoriginal.com/image.jpg". I might look into it, If Solus or one of the staff don't get to it first. --Windos 00:43, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
- Ummmm....Fairuse is a part of copyright law and doesn't mean the work isn't copyrighted. See [1] Orv Dessrx 02:34, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
- Also...does the DJB really want to go down the road of allowing restrictive copyrighted works on the Wiki where we can have a cease and desist if something goes wrong then wreak havoc with our content? Or are the copyrighted works reserved ONLY for photos? Orv Dessrx 02:37, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
- Indeed, fair use is basically saying that while the DB is displaying said image, said image is copyrighted and the unit as a whole is not the one that owns said image for the purposes of copyrignt. This tag should probably be done away with as a replacement for the fair use tag and we should instead have liscence tag where people should instead perhaps add something like the Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 license if they're worried about that sort of thing. Basically, if it's not available for redistribution it shouldn't be on our wiki in the first place, as we don't have the right to distribute it, so this tag in and of itself is something that shouldn't exist because any image it's put on shouldn't be uploaded in the first place. - Selika 03:04, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
- Just fyi, this tag isn't meant to be a replacement for the fairuse tag. It was only created to address an issue a member had when uploading personal photos for her user page. And personally (I think RH agreed with me on this) using the fairuse tag on your own works is a bit moot as your use of your images doesn't need to be fairuse as you own it.
- If we need a different tag/wording for this tag, go ahead and do it but I do feel we need something other than fairuse for the original works of our members. --Windos 03:16, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
- Selikar try to explain what 'fairuse' meant to me early. What really cleared it up on how he stated what 'fairuse' meant was "It shields the Brotherhood against the legal people." So if person A: does not put 'fairuse' on what they upload then the Brotherhood can be (worse case scenario) sued. But I agree with Muz. It might be a good idea to delineate between images 'taken' from the internet and ones created by hand. - Robin Hawk