Talk:Eludajae "Lynx" M'Nar

Minor updates to the Character and DB facts - Eludajae 2:25 am 25/10/2007

You don't need to note what you've done here on the Discussion page, it's already documented in the history. Thanks --Tron 17:20, 25 October 2007 (MDT)

Removed by Eludajae 11:56 1/8/2008

Revert?

After speaking with Eludajae, we decided the character still had a role to play, and would probably benefit from a proper page to link to. I've never done a revert before, could a staff member do it so I don't mess anything up please? Impie 15:50, 9 January 2008 (MST)

Rolled back to the last edit Eludajae made before the erasingness. Also put her in the rogue category as per what her dossier told me. --Shadow Taldrya 18:19, 9 January 2008 (MST)

Major Editing and updating now that I am active again- Eludajae 4:28PM 25/01/2008

Section Decree of Knighthood added, template information added,Eludajae /01/28/2007 12:18PM

Section Dark Passions Revealed added, minor edits for wording, Eludajae 02/03/2008 08:56PM

New Picture added to the right top as it was requested by several if I could place a more SW or Dark Jedi oriented picture for my character. Well I believe that new picture complies with the request. Eludajae 12:03PM, 22 April 2008 (EST)

I apologize for the double save hit, but I noticed 7 miss spelled words and the Grammar Nazi in me took hold and I had to correct it. i.g. several miss spellings were corrected. Eludajae 12:39PM, 22 April 2008 (EST)

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Please use the Show Preview button before hitting Save page so as not to pile up a number of edits. Thanks --Tron 18:55, 25 January 2008 (MST)

Tron question, should I not edit section by section then? Just click edit for the whole page and make the edits? I use Show Preview as much as possible I promise I do. Eludajae 12;15, 28/01/2008

Section by section is just as many - by using the button you can make one edit, look over the article, see where another needs done, edit, look over, edit, and so on. This makes it so only one actual edit shows up though you may have completed several edits in reality. It helps us when sifting through the Recent Changes to see where we need to help someone. --Tron 14:51, 29 January 2008 (MST)

Article/Outstanding Achievements

Perhaps the beginning of this article could be changed to fall into line with the set format for character articles. The threat dossier really isn't needed, nor the part right under Character History that says where and when you were born since that is in the infobox to the right.

Also, keep in mind that this is not a replacement for your dossier on djb.com, so under Outstanding Achievements you don't list rank promotions, medals earned or SA courses that you passed. --Tron 15:26, 14 October 2008 (MDT)

• Side Note: Synthahol is in Star Trek only, not in Star Wars - you'll never hear it mentioned here.

• Note: I did move the Threat Dossier down into the Character Summery and removed the extra doubled information you noted. Leaving the qoute from Palpatine where it was. Letting us both have what we wanted you wanted it removed and I wanted it kept, so I moved it to a more acceptable location. However as for the Synthahol...there is a name for the blue stuff they drink in the bars it has obviously eluded me...could you instead of just pointing out its incorrect, give me a proper SW name for their synthetic alcohol? However, I believe it was used in A New Hope prior to the remastering of it.

As far as the achievements, I would agree with you if I have the lengthy career that you have and such things as your Knighthood and first Eleveation to E1 no longer mean that much to you. To me they are milestones in my DB career, as are my two first merit medals. When I have the plethera of positions held that you list in your wiki I will be happy to remove them. Its all relative hon. --Eludajae 6:27, 14 October 2008 (MDT)

• It has nothing to do with my former positions or medals, hell I never got to hold the rank of DJK - it existed but I didn't get it. The thing is, it's the rules laid out for the Wiki for everyone, from the lowliest of low apprentices who joined yesterday to the oldest of old guys - not even any of the Grand Masters can break this rule. The DJBWiki Guidelines say, and I quote, "After discussion with the Grand Master, the Deputy Grand Master, the Wiki Tribune and his staff, it has been clearly decided that the character articles are not a replacement for member's dossier files on DJB.com. Rather, it is a replacement for your Character History on your dossier."

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So this would mean anything listed outside of what would be in the Character History would not be included.

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As for the drink from A New Hope, they were drinking Juri juice at the Cantina and then at the Lars Homestead they drank Blue Milk. --Tron 16:34, 15 October 2008 (MDT)

I understand what your saying, but of that is the case, you should remove all positions held as well, as they are listed on your History Outline, and not part of your character history. I agree the body of the wiki should not be simply a repost of your full dossier. But if only character history is to be placed on it. Then what is the purpose for the Outstanding achievements section? You see if we strickly agree with your statement, your in violation of it as well, by listing your positions, which clearly listed in you History Outline on your dossier. Your pointing to my ranks and medals of merits saying they are not outstanding achievement material, but the basis for your statement also rules out all positions ever held as well. So I fail to see where one is allowable and the other is not. Do you see where I am coming from?

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Note: Please understand I am not trying to be a pain in your butt, but I am clearing seeing a double standard here and simply want to understand why one is allowable and the other is not.

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And thank you for the name I can substitue for the other I appreciate that. --Eludajae 4:24, 16 October 2008 (MDT)

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Addendum: After consideration I am coming 1/2 with you I have removed the medals and the degree. However I am keeping the two rank elevations and here is why, DJK is a milestone in someone's DB career it some after clawing your way through the Trials of the Journeymen so it is very much an Outstanding Achievement, you don't see my promotion to Guardian, JH, etc...do you? No they are achievements but not on the level of DJK, now why Sith Warrior, it is your first elevation ever in the club, into the E ranks, however E2, and E3 etc will not be listed. Another promotion will not be listed until and if I become an Elder, then the date of my DA promotion will appear, but not DJM, and etc. The finaly rank that would warant it is Grand Master... Do you see what I am saying? I will not be listing every rank promotion, just the milestone rank promotions as outstanding achievements. I hope this helps.--Eludajae 4:54, 16 October 2008 (MDT)

• If the page was being used as a dossier replacement, it would have every merit award, promotion, sa course, etc. In this article all that was listed were the outstanding acievements in the eyes of the author. I understand why we need to discourage big lists of members' entire medal cases on character articles, but I don't see the problem with listing a couple of the big things like first merit awards and important promotions on the wiki. Same with degrees, it's not like there's a big long list of every sa course on the page, just a little note of the bits that are meaningful. If a note of only the meaningful achievements was a replacement for the dossier, the dossiers would be pretty small.

I think we should allow big things to go in the outstanding achievement section. If we don't allow things like merit awards and promotions, there's no point putting the section into the character articles, because for a good percentage of the membership pretty much all of their achievements are in the form of medal or rank. Also, my page is currently in violation because I list a Sapphire Blade in my achievements section. And it was featured with that in it. If it's against the rules, we should really stop featuring articles that break them :P Impie 07:31, 16 October 2008 (MDT)

I understand where you are both coming from - seriously I do. For a long part of my career in the DB all I was known for was "the guy who created CNS" and that may be all I'm ever remembered for, so you would think I would want to show what other achievements I've made to the DB - well I do, in the history of my character. But that aside, I have to agree with you that yes DJK is a big achievement - especially since today not many make it that far. I'm an old fogy, back in my day we didn't have any promotion guidelines so back then the only special thing about DJK was you got a lightsaber - so I have to constantly adjust my thinking to that of today's members.

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But the only reason we have medals in the DB is because it was brought in by the Emperor's Hammer - they handed them out like crazy in their TIE Corps, which was strictly military based. We no longer have any ties with them - which is why we have awards like the Sapphire Blade and such. You could probably see a Dark Jedi bearing or holding dear something such as that - but how many medals did Darth Vader wear? That aside, I'm in the US Army and know the importance of medals. Though I may have some, I don't remember many of them in regards to achievements - my Purple Heart especially. I know, our medals are different, they are given for work that was done - achievements you completed - but it doesn't really compare to a promotion or position.

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My first Dark Cross, I don't remember what it was awarded for - it was a competition that I placed 1st in but I knew then that it would be the 1st of many (which it really wasn't but oh well). I placed 1st, I knew there would be many other comps and knew that compared to them it would be just another medal. My other DCs (and I'm just using these as examples) were given for Best Post in a run-on, for participation in the 6th GJW and for revamping the Wiki SA course. Those are achievements, but not milestones or even outstanding. Now, I could understand if you wanted to list a medal you received for being a Hero of a GJW (1st, 2nd or 3rd place) - that is a great achievement. But I would consider only medals that made a difference in the DB, and not to the owner personally, as being Outstanding. Think about that word. If someone was going over your article and saw that you had earned a grad Cross from the GM himself for Continued work as Editor of the Dark Voice (mocking myself, but it's ok) you would probably say "That was Outstanding?" It was my first GC, a big achievement, but not in any way was it Outstanding. It was given to me for services rendered by a crazed GM (Zoraan). Again, think about the word Outstanding - look it up in a dictionary.

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As for positions, I'm with you on this and not at the same time. 50/50 in other words. Some positions are Outstanding. Obviously a position on the DC (if you did a good job that is) is a no brainer. Leading a Clan is outstanding - mainly because it is so challenging for anyone. Leading a House is just as outstanding. Being a member, well that can be challenging we can all agree on that, but being a Battle Team member or Battle Team Leader is necessarily, outstanding. Of course, if you were a member or leader of a Battle Team that played a major role for your house in a competition - that could be considered outstanding. I don't list half the positions I've held on my article - I'm so old school not all of my medals or positions are in the database. Hell no one remembers, except maybe a few, that GM Khyron named me a Sith Lord despite the fact that I was never DGM or GM - but that's not listed. Sure it was Outstanding, but with no one knowing, I'm just another Nephets pretending to be something. Perhaps we should change it from Outstanding Achievements to Monumental Roles. I don't know. I've been here 11 years, almost 12, and I've seen many Outstanding members, but they are hardly remembered anymore or known of by the majority of people. Maybe I'm just an old fogy. --Tron 17:01, 16 October 2008 (MDT)

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After a long process of what to do to try and accomadate both you and I Tron, see I am trying, I moved the rank and some of the positions held out of the Outstanding Achievements location into Triva...several were placed into the familar poistions box and several were noted above it. Only keeping the MOST Outstanding Achievements in that section. I hope this more reflects what you were trying to get at, and reflects to me what is still my MOST Outstanding Achievements. I still have a problem with removing my very first Merit Medal, but it will remain edited out, but I assure you my first Sacramental Award will be placed there. :P

--Eludajae 11:24, 26 October 2008 (MDT)

Major clean up and organization of the page to fall more in line with the DB standards. Some spelling and grammar corrections as well. And yes RevX I hit the save button by accident that's why you got a multiple hit...sorry. --Eludajae 11:15, 16 Feb 2009 (EST)

Bringing Page better in line with wiki standards

• Properly updated the Trivia section with all the shared copyrights of the Commission pictures I had commissioned for myself for this page. They are used here under the fairuse rules, but they are owned by myself directly as the commissioning person and the artist as the creator of the image, --Eludajae 8:57, 05 March 2009 (EST)
• Addendum: added a quote in adult section, cleaned up the DJB facts section to make it more organized and comprehensive, as well to make it more relevant to the DJB. Moved a few pictures slightly to make the text wrapping more in line with standards as well as making the page continuity greater than before. --Eludajae 8:57, 05 March 2009 (EST)

Picture Editing

I have just replaced Eludajae_the_dark_jedi.jpg with my own 3d rendering please feel free to delete Eludajae_the_dark_jedi.jpg from the database as it is not in use anymore --Eludajae 10:04, 13 June 2009 (EST)

• Done. For next time, could you put the deletion request on the actual image? Easier to find that way... --BenevolentWhiner 14:48, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Editing

Deleted 3 sections of the wiki, they are fictionally interesting to read but too much fluff, so they were deleted to make the wiki more readable page rather than filled with too much fictional reading. --Eludajae 11:25, June 25, 2009 (EST)

Images

I just resized the images on this page to conform to the guidlines found in the images section of the Editing Policies. Also keep in mind the following point from the above policy:

"Unless you have a paragraph discussing the image and tying it into the article, it will be deleted. Just throwing up an image because it relates to your character is not enough, explain why it is there. (Instituted January 2007.)".

I haven't actually taken a thorough look at the article but only noticed that there are many images on it (after a quick look one that jumps out is the image of the war banner, it looks like it has been placed there purely for the fact that if it weren't there wouldn't be a gap between images). --Windos 03:23, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

• Mmmm... Man does make a point. Especially with the warbanner; if I remember correctly, the only reason you're allowed to have a warbanner on the page is if you have a paragraph devoted to it. I could be wrong, I don't remember the actual rules. Yours... is just there... so it (as well as the 'closeup' image you recently updated) fall under what Windos is talking about. I (like Windos) haven't exactly read your article, mostly just skimmed, but I'm pretty sure having that random picture at the beginning of the article was just there for being there's sake... --Anubis 04:15, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
  • Regarding the image at the top of the article; Eludajae was having trouble displaying it on her page so Impie did it for her today and left it there for her to move it to where it belongs. All she needs to remember is that it needs to have a paragraph tying it into the article rather than just relying on the fact that it is related to the character in some arbitrary way. --Windos 04:21, 26 December 2009 (UTC)