Talk:Hand to Hand Combat Guide

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First off, a very good guide, informative. If I may though, I'd like to point out a few things -

Secondly, the explanation of Forms - Within Martial Arts, Forms are actually the pre-arranged set of movements, similar to Kata, or what we call in Gung Fu, Kuen.

I'll give you an example of what I mean, and what corrections need to take place.

If I'm reading this correctly, you register Teras Kasi as a Form. Teras Kasi, is a Martial Art - a Form would be a certain set of movements in within Teras Kasi, such as Riding Bantha. If I could break down the actual correct terminology, it would look like this -


Martial Art: Kung Fu Style: Hung Gar Form: Dragon plays with pearl


See? A Martial Art is the art form itself, the style is a variation of that art, and a form is a pre-arranged set of movements (Also called Sets) within that style. So Teras Kasi is a Martial Art, not a Form. Same goes to the other Martial Arts - they are not Forms.

Alright, now a question - why exactly are some of the Martial Arts listed as Basic, Advanced and Elite? This question may seem somewhat dumb, especially as I am well accustomed to your Lightsaber Forms Guide, and have been for some time. (Great guide by the way) From what I've seen, two of the "Basic" Martial Arts, Broken Gate and Dulon are anything but basic. I could already tell that Dulon is basically the Star Wars version of Taji Quan. If this is at all the case, then Dulon is not a Basic Art in any sense. To those who haven't studied Taji closely under the guidance of a Sifu, it may look like a conventional bunch of stances and movements, but it is actually quite advanced - each movement hides tiny movements, tiny circles almost invisible to the naked eye, and each movement controls the body's power and shifts it in deliberately positioned places within the body. With ninety-seven steps in just one such style, Taji Quan is a very advanced art. If Dulon is meant to be like Taji, then you might want to change it to Advanced. Broken Gate on the other hand is very interesting. Broken Gate is 25,000 years old. The oldest and most complex martial arts system we have on our planet of Earth doesn't exceed 4,000 years of development or evolution. If Broken gate had time to develop and grow during the millennia that proceeded it, then it has slowly formed into an expansive and complex art indeed. Studying the movements of Jedi and Sith combatants in both trilogies, I found that Broken Gate resembled very much some of the systems located within the Japanese Martial Arts. A lot of what is already written is very good, and I feel, accurate. If there are a few noteworthy things to point out to you it would be thus:

1. I haven't seen any evidence of "stomping kicks" in any of the conflicts between Jedi/Sith in the trilogies. 2. "the art's name was taken from a story of the first Master, Jae Dal, who reputedly smashed open a metre-thick wooden gate with one blow of his fist." - It seems unlikely that a Jedi Master would smash open a thick wooden gate just for show or to prove how strong he was. They are by nature, humble and unassuming. Could Jedi Master Jae Dal have destroyed the gate to perhaps save a student or other innocent that was hurt or in trouble on the other side? Also, another stupid question of mine: Did Jae Dal by any chance found the art form?

3. "Because of the nature of the strikes, Broken Gate practitioners tend to avoid secondary blocks, and train themselves to dodge or simply absorb attacks." - Very, very good guys. Whoever did some of this research did a great job. There has been some scant evidence to conclude that Jedi utilized absorption techniques in combat. Also, keep in mind though that because this art does have advanced absorption techniques this means:

A. That this art form is actually also Internal, though you were right to describe it as Hard. B. To absorb the energy of a blow with your hands, you cannot simply block with the forearm in a stationary pose, absorption

comes from the Martial Artist almost constantly moving his hands in a proactive manner, and either catching the force of the blow directly on the palm as the hand moves, or moving the arm, specifically the wrist, around the attacking limb and then cupping around it at the wrist(or ankle) and ensnaring it, thereby catching the limb and stealing its kinetic energy. Accordingly, most of the blocking techniques would not use "static blocking" as you say. However If you do not imply static blocking to mean, "one hand held stationary(still) in front of the attacking limb as it comes" then disregard what I said earlier, and I apologize. With some of this information to consider, I don't think either Dulon nor Broken Gate are by any means Basic arts. Now, on the other hand, Hapan, along with, Katranian, can be considered Basic arts. I'm currently looking through to see If any other artforms could take their place... Now, I notice this page doesn’t list Kinet-Do, this is also a canonical Martial Art in the Star Wars universe and it may have the qualifications for Basic Art. I can add Kinet-Do to the page If you like. Also, there is a canon Martial Art called, Velanarian boxing, and Changa Bushfighting, I think both of these could take the place of highly complex Martial Arts like Broken gate and Dulon. Shall I add them instead? You might want to add Dulon to Advanced Arts and Broken Gate to Elite, since accordingly, only Jedi would practice it, and the Order wouldn't spread the secrets of It's art across the stars. Alright, that's it for this page, I'll see what else I can do for the others, Masters. --Archivist 15:40, 27 February 2008 (MST)